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Subject: Hammill Newsletter - October 92
From: ghogen@phoibi.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Guido Hogen)
Date: 24 Oct 92 16:16:34 GMT
P E T E R H A M M I L L N E W S L E T T E R October 1992
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QUIET AUTUMN?
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Greetings once again. Earlier this year, I promised that 1992 would be one of
my busiest - and most visible - work periods in recent times. Naturally, your
exact geographical location will determine how true that has turned out to be
so far. I can say, though, that I've been working fairly continuously all
year and MY autumn is going to be far from quiet.
I regret that my travels have been fundametally only in Europe; time and other
demands - or lack of them - have seen to that. However, I hope you'll have
gathered by now that I have no intention of stopping, so sooner or later I'll
cover further ground once again.
There's little by way of illustrations this time, and more words. Also en-
closed you'll find a flyer from Rockport Records about Kevin Coyne. If you're
interested, you can write to them...if not, not!
So much for introduction. I'll hope to (almost) see some of you from the stage
in the next weeks. In the meantime, thanks, as always, for listening!
Peter Hammill
THE WHAT, HOW, WHERE OF TOURING
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It may not be exactly be a Dire Straits-type endless rotation, but I have been
on the road much more than of latealready this year, and will continue to be
so over the next couple of months.
The European leg of this spring's touring, as prefaced in the last newsletter,
was a mixture of solo and (of a strange ilk) band shows. Even the solo per-
formances were differentiated in blocks, some with Grand Piano and some with
a new keyboard, the EPS.
The use of the latter means that I'm no longer lugging around a "mother and
brood" MIDI set-up. There are pluses and minuses in the piano vs. keyboard
debate, of course. Naturally, a grand piano is much more of a physical beast,
and therefore more satisfying to paly; but they're horrendous things to get
a decent live sound out of, without having hours to do so; I also sometimes
have the feeling that I "disappear" into them more than is fair to the
audience...have a private, rather than public "conversation" with the songs.
Well, I appreciate the differences between the two keyboards. Variety is the
spice of entertainment!
The band of Nic, Stuart and David Lord was a most interesting set-up, I
thought. In Germany we played entire sets together (with EPS); for the UK
shows i did the first half solo on Grand Piano, to be joined by the others
for the second half. Perhaps this - or a similar "chamber" - line-up will make
further appearances in the future.
On all shows I played electric guitar for the first time since the K group. The
beast in question is, in fact, deserving of the name Meurglys IV. (III, the
Guild, is still around, by the way!) MIV is my current favourite; strange
though it may sound, it's badged a Casio, although I believe the guitar makers
as such are Ibanez. Its Casio nature means that it's also a MIDI guitar...
which explains the odd moanings and rumblings you may have heard in "Modern",
coming from a distanced keyboard!
The first period of touring included a couple of firsts - shows in Prague and
Argentina, both of which were most intriguing and enjoyable. I always have
a certain amount of trepidation about going to countries for the first time...
I wonder whether people are aware that I've moved on since 1971! The welcome
and attention I received in both countries, though, was fantastic.
It was also great to go back to Portugal, after a prolonged absence. It's an
unfortunate fact that my touring time per year is limited, by life consider-
ations, so it's all too easy to disappear from one shore or another for years
without ever realising it. (Sorry, Italy, Scandinavia, North America, Japan,
Israel and so on!)
So, to the future, already almost upon me. By the time this goes out I will
already have played the first concert of the autumn, in Brussels. I'm then
going to Spain, France, Greece and Germany. There is still some possibility
of four or five Italian shows coming together, and I wait with bated breath!
Such details as I presently have are at the tail of this newsletter.
These shows will all be solo. Since I'm still - until next year - more or less
in "Fireships" mode this seems apposite. Incidentally, some day I'll answer
all the questions about which mode of performance I find most satisfactory-
...but not now! As I've said, I'll hope to see some of you from the boards...
THE NOISE!
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Meanwhile, as you'd expect, even if you didn't know, the tape machines have been
running... The next recorded project is now completed and (naturally) it's an
entirely different world from "Fireships".
I said at the time of the last newsletter that the loud songs had been held
back...well, quite soon they'll be with you. The album's provisional title
of "The Noise" (also one of the song titles) has stuck for so long that it's
almost certain to be the final one. It will be released at some time in
February, so I'll leave more detailed words about it to the newsletter
that will go out then.
For the moment I can say that there are guitars, guitars, guitars, and that,
as you will already have gathered, it's intended to be quite loud - without,
I hope, being gross! I'll write more next time. An early taster is in the
offing...see next paragraph.
JA!
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While we all await the unleashing of "The Noise" there is one - slightly
oddball - release which will precedie it. This is not going to be on
Fie! itself, but on Rockport Records. It's a mini-CD, "A Fix on the Mix", in
the honourable traditions of the EP. (Anyone out there remember "The
Big Three live at the Cavern"?) That is to say something of a mish-mash.
"I will find you" is the one you'll already know, in a slightly edited form
here.
"Like a shot, the Entertainer" is extracted (as an early taste) from "The
Noise". Naturally it's not indicative of all the loud styles involoved, but
it seems to fit in this mix!
The remaining two songs will perhaps strike all of you as somewhat odd! They
are "Auto (Wieder im Wagen)" and "Favorit". The origin of the first is self-
evident, and the second is "His best girl"...and both are sung in German.
There is a logical historical imperative in all this. It's now been several
years since i started doing translation work for Herbert Gronemeyer, in the
course of which I became more and more fascinated with the shifts and cultural
and tonal changes such work entails. Even before that I'd been interested in
German as a language. To be honest, my German speech is limited (my French
and Italian are better, although strictly street-wise!); however, I really
fancied having a crack at some singing. (I sang B. Vox on Peter Gabriel's
German album some years ago, but to be honest my grasp was pretty well
limited to the phonetic then.)
So these are my first two efforts. They're certainly not perfect; but then my
English is pretty whacky at times in any case!
The translations (no, I'm incapable of doing it in the other direction) are by
Heinz Rudolf Kunze. I believe he has done a fantastic job in rendering the
angularity of the lyrics and delivery into the German tongue.
The translations are not, of course, literal - I wouldn't want them to be,
since, as I've said, certain things have to be shift when going into another
culture.
"Auto" - the superfast overnight drive - was evidently always a song rooted
in German experience. "Favorit" has become, if anything, somewhat darker in
the translation...or the perceived character of the man in the story has
become so. Heinz puts it that he's become rather more Klaus Maria Brandauer
than Roger Moore. I'm not sure that I had Old Eyebrows in mind for the English
character, but I know what he means! For me, this song in particular has a
distinctly different identity when sung in German...
Well, soon you can see what you think. I've found it a challenging and rewarding
experience. You can order the EP-CD, if it tickels your fancy, from us...as
from the 1st December, because it's only being released then. In Germany, of
course, it should be in the shops. Or even (dare one breathe it?) on the radio?
Assuming that I'm not completely laughed out of court (well, that's a continuous
assumption in any case...) more of this will follow next year.
A POSTER IN THE POST?
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You may or may not be aware that I have a somewhat ambivalent attitude to
merchandising stuff. I don't want to have the feeling that you're constantly
being deluged with "Buy, buy, buy!" signals. As I hope is plain, my interest
remains, as always, the writing, performing and recording of the music above
all else. On the other hand, there is, of course, a demand for "things".
We've always tried to make them of reasonable price, good quality and general
usefulness! Usually this has meant (understated, I hope) bits of clothing -
well, you can always wipe the kitchen floor with the old T-shirt when you
decide that the Hammill talent has finally run dry!
Until now we've never done posters, although there have been consistent
requests for them. Now, though, semms to be the time. However (see above) I
didn't want to have just a knock-it-out low-quality effort; so we've decided
to do a limited edition (1000) run poster of Paul Ridout's "Fireships" cover
on good paper and with high quality control! The colour separations for this
poster are being taken directly from the computer on which Paul created the
cover, with no intervening photographic stage. The image will be just over
twelve inches square, with the lettering taken out. Overall, the poster will
be A2 size - approx 16" by 22". It can therefore be pinned or tacked upon a
wall as is, or cut up and framed...whatever.
Each of the posters will be numbered and signed by both of us. We'll be taking
some of these to sell on various dates in the current touring, but obviously
the first call - as long as they last - goes to Sofa Sound subscribers.
You'll find details in the order form; they'll be sent in suitably sturdy tubes!
This is likely, incidentally, to be the first of a continuing series.
As for the other stuff...there'll finally be some badges again - next time!
FINALLY, A VIDEO
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Earlier this year one of the concerts was recorded for posterity on Video.
This will now (finally!) be released at the start of December. The show was in
the Passionskirche in Berlin, where I've played a couple of times before.
Yes, it's achurch - and the dressing room is the sacristy. this was a solo
performance, with Meurglys IV and the EPS keyboard. It's not, perhaps, the
most RADICAL of performances; naturally, I knew that it was being filmed, and
therefore had even more responsibility than usual! Anyway, the radical and
"unresponsible" performances normally peak with one song only to trough with
another. I believe, though, that it's a very good representation of how-I-am-
on-stage at this point. The songs are interpersed with various bits of inter-
view, which are somewhat off the top of my head. From December you can order the
video from us. Please note, though, that it's PAL only, so it won't work on
American systems!
And other news... "Fireships" is about to be released on vinyl...but only in
Greece! However, it's likely that copies will be imported, perhaps by APT
(Fie!'s distributors here). I regret - but not over much - that we won't be
dealing with them mail order. Vinyl really is a pain from a mailing point
of view, there's just so much loss and breakage involved. However, I thought
I ought to let you know...
Fie! records are also going to be released domestically in France in the future,
through New Rose. I'm particulary glad about making a French Connection again,
both live and on record after far too long an absence...
Strange Fruit have been making noises about the release of some Van der Graaf
BBC sessions for a number of months, and this may or may not be imminent. As
with much of the past and past work I'm afraid I'm as much in the dark as you
may be. In any case, I don't really see it as the function of Sofa Sound to be
a VdGG info service - I am, after all, attempting to live in the present and
future! (Of this, perhaps, more another time when other words fail me!)
Word of a compadre, though: David Jackson's CD of instrumentals, "Tonewall" is,
at last, available, and you can get it from us.
Finally, miscellaneous activities - perhaps because I've spent so much time
touring and recording this year I've had comparatively little for my usual crop
of strange outside interventions.
Peter Gabriel had me over to do a bit of backing vox on "Us"; some of this
apparently survived, and you may be able to discern it! It was actually very
enjoyable to do a bit of singing where the ultimate responsibility was not
mine.
The strangest efford never made it to public arising: David Ferguson, once of
Random Hold, asked me to write some Latin lyrics (sic) for a TV score he wrote
for "Disaster at Valdez", wich was broadcast a month or so back. In the end the
powers that be decided that they would rather have a choirboy going "Aaaah"
than have my cod Latin. Shame!
TO BE CONSUMED - ALIVE and MAIL ORDER
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TOURING: The following dates are confirmed (or guessed at, as appropriate!):
Oct 12th Zaragoza
13th Barcelona
15th Madrid
16th Bilbao
Nov 2nd Lyons
3rd Toulouse
4th Rouen
5th Lille
6th Rennes
7th Strasbourg
9th Paris
15th - 17th Athens
20th Heiligenhaus
22nd Fulda
23rd Osnabruck?
24th Aachen
25th Marburg
26th Leipzig?
27th Mannheim
29th Krefeld
30th Koln
Dec 1st Frankfurt
2nd/3rd hannover
4th Schorndorf
Then ITALY?! (no further info available as I write!)
As always THINGS MAY CHANGE! Even I often only know exactly where I'm going
when I get my itinerary... However, these dates at least give some indication
of my whereabouts; if in doubt, look out for the odd poster or press ad!
FOR SALE
The (White) Monogram T-shirts are still available. All other clothing items are
now OUT OF STOCK! So please don't try to order them...we will refund any money
sent, of course, but the time and transfer processes just make money for the
banks!
Recordings (the main thing) are, naturally, all still available. At present
we CAN'T supply old Virgin/Charisma or Enigma catalogue items...we only have
what we say we have!
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guido
(ghogen@zeus.informatik.rwth-aachen.de)
P.S.: The address of Sofa Sound is: PO Box 66, Freshford, Bath, UK
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Gong, again
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:42:56 GMT
dpg4m@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Paul Gervais) writes:
>(esp. what's the Gong underground
>I heard references to mean) etc.
I suspect this might be a refernce to the grass roots network in the US
booking tours by Gong related artists. Looks like Richard Sinclair of
Hatfield and Caravan is the next one coming through.
>Anyway you could either e-mail me or, gong me here for the rest
>of the group to read--- let's talk GONG.
I'm pressed for time right now, and I think I already brushed off responding
once by email, but here's a quickie and some old mail about a specific part
of Gong's history - their peak in the 70's before splitting into different
bands and directions.
The band was started by Daevid Allen, a wild australian beatnik who helped
found Soft Machine and who hung out with William S. Burroughs and Terry
Riley in teh early 60's. He and Didier Malherbe are the only original
members in the current Gong92 lineup, though Pip Pyle is with them now and
was in the band about 20 years ago too. Allen used to hang out with Hendrix,
John & Yoko, and Pink Floyd in the early Soft Machine days and he learned
his glissando guitar style from Syd Barrett. The band went through many
personel changes. The Trilogy lps, Flying Teapot, Angel's Egg, and You,
are to me a sort of guided trip - concept lps that tell a story, and create
a mythology blending hippieness with zen. Fun stuff. Other elements of the
group leaned toward jazz-rock and so when the band split Pieer Moerlen, the
drummer, decided to continue using the name gong, and went on to do fusion
jazz/rock stuff. Daevid contiued with a string of other Gongs, NY Gong,
Planet Gong, Gong Maison, and Gong92. He ex wife started Mother Gong.
Here's some old post I have trying to answer the question of "When was
Bill Bruford with Gong, and did he record with them?"
> I read this in the YesYears (box set) discography:
> "With King Crimson, Bill Bruford recorded Larks Tongues in Aspic,
> Starless and Bible Black, Red, and USA. There was also a compilation:
> The Young Persons Guide to King Crimson. He subsequently drummed on
> albums by Gong, Roy Harper, Pavlov's Dog, Steve Howe, Chris Squire."
>Either this is a big mistake or we need to look more closely and the
>Gong collection. Seems to me Gong's albums credits are somewhat crytic,
>maybe he's really there. Can someone post a Gong discography and identify
>the albums where he could plausably show up (ie. the right time frame)?
>On these albums, who is listed as personel (presumably weird aliases).
I have *every* Gong lp from that era and can assure you Bruford isn't
credited on any of them. I don't think it's likely that he appears uncredited
and I don't hear anything that sounds like him. I've cross referenced a couple
different band histories and family trees, plus I know the founder of Gong,
Daevid Allen. Here's what I put together for soemone else curious about this,
and I don't feel like totally re-editing it or including a complete right now
so it includes some other Gong history too.
Basically what I got from talking to Daevid and reading various sources like
Soft Machine, Gong and Daevid Allen solo liner notes is this: After "Flying
Teapot" Allen and Gilli Smyth left for a while. I think Gilli had a kid then.
That was around March to May 1973. The bass player, drummer, and guitar player
from Teapot split. Hillage and Blake hooked up with Moerlen and Howlett. I
think it was around this time that they played a bit with Kevin Ayers, not
really performing Gong material. Allen and Smyth came back and the band
recorded "Angel's Egg" (released 11/73). Between June 1973 and July 1975
Pierre Moerlen was at various times replaced by 5 other drummers including
Bill Bruford. Basically Moerlen left after Angel's Egg and returned to
record "You" (released 11/74).
Bruford is listed as being one of five drummers with Gong between 1973-75.
Since he was in King Crimson until around July 74 I assume he hooked up
with Gong between 7/74 and 7/75 when drummer Pierre Moerlen came back and
took over the group. I have heard a live tape of Gong supposedly with
Bruford in Lemans France in 11/74 but the quality of the tape is such that
you really can't tell if it's Bruford or not. I am going under the
assumption that Bruford did not play with Gong while still in King Crimson,
which ended their tour in 7/74 but still did some studio recording after
that ("Red") before disbanding. If anyone else has any other info to add
to this please let me know. I'll try to ask Daevid more specifically about
Bruford's work with Gong when he's in San Francisco in two weeks.
Since there were 6 drummers with Gong during the period of 6/73 to 7/75 and
only one of them appears on the lps released 11/73 and 11/74 I assume that
none of the other drummers was there very long. Bruford is not credited on
Angel's Egg or You, which are the only two lps recorded around the time he
was with the band. The other drummers with Gong during 1973-75 besides
Moerlen and Bruford were Laurie Allan, Rob Tait, Di Bond, and Brian Davison.
Daevid and Gilli left in April 75, right around the time Fish Rising was
released, and which was essentially a Gong lp without Daevid and Gilli. Then
they did Shamal, with Tim Blake gone and a new keyboard player and a violin
player added. Shamal was released 2/76 but Hillage had already split by
12/75 to go solo even though he was on the Shamal recordings. Bassist
Mike Howlett also left around that time and went into producing stuff for
Virgin. The new keyboard player and violinsit for Shamal also split, making
the lineup for Gazeuse (also released as Expresso) and Expresso II the 5th
totally different lineup of Gong, and leaving it with no original band members
after Didier left. IMHO Moerlen should have renamed the band since Gong was
really Daevid's trip. (Actually, quite literally since the whole Gong story
was "received" by Daevid once while he was tripping in the late 60's.)
It's my perception that Allen and Smyth got off drugs and into zen and they
started getting uneasy with being onstage for audiences of thousands that were
out of control, and also uncomfortable with being onstage and backstage with
people out of control. Tim Blake was supposedly into getting as blotto as he
could by drinking and smoking and tripping before and during shows. Moerlen
supposedly was anti drugs originally and then ironically became a cokehead and
a junkie. Suitcases full of coke were appearing backstage and making Allen
a bit uncomfortable. By the recording of You the band was being pulled into
different directions and Moerlen wanted to get away from the mythology of it
I transcribed a poem by Daevid Allen that he read last summer that seemed to
sum up the anarchy of the group and why Bruford left:
------
"Poem To Bill Bruford:
`You look quite young,
except your hands.
You have old hands. '
I look at my hands...
They look like I died last Saturday.
`I couldn't stay in this band,
you all think differently than me,
you drive me mad. ha ha ha.'
`I just couldn't do it' he added joyfully.
Bloomdido says, hopefully, last angle,
`We are a community of hermits' *
`I like your playing' he said, gay-ly zooming in on Bloom,
`It's binging fantastic!' " **
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By Daevid Allen, as read 8/91.
* = pronounced with exaggerated french accent
** = it sounded like "binging" but may have been some other word...
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Here's some details from the Canterbury music discography in the
discography ftp archives:
Gong: Radio Gnome Invisible Part 2-Angel's Egg, 1973 (Virgin) [#,CD]
Didier Malherbe: sax Gilli Smyth: vocals
Tritsch: gtr, bass Steve Hillage: gtrs
Tim Blake: synth Daevid Allen: gtrs,voc.
Mireille Bauer: Percussion,
Pierre Moerlen:drums
[Note, some members had several aliases, notably Didier, who was Bloomdido
Bad de Grass (a play on his name, in French Malherbe translates literally
as 'bad grass'), Bloomdido Bad de Glis (glis being a Steve Hillage word for
the musical term 'glissando' ), Bloomdido Glid de Breeze, Bloomdido Glad
de Brass, Gnome Pipo Bal de Glass.]
Gong: Radio Gnome Invisible Part 3-You, 1974 (Virgin) [CD]
Mike Howlett: bass Pierre Moerlen: drums Steve Hillage: gtr
Didier Malherbe: sax Tim Blake:synth
Daevid Allen: gtr,voc. G.Smyth: vocals
Miquette Giraudy: voc. Mirielle Bauer: perc.
Benoit Moerlin: perc.
Gong: Shamal, 1976 (Virgin) [#] [CD]
Mirielle Bauer: perc. Patrice Lemoine: kybds Pierre Moerlin: drums
Miquette Giraudy: voc.,kybds Steve Hillage: gtrs Mike Howlett: bass
Didier Malherbe: sax Francis Moze: bass Jorge Pinchevsky: violin
Discography excerpts courtesy of Richard Todd. Thanks Richard!
Hope this helps settle this one. Got any more Gong trivia questions? Just
ask and I'll see what I can find...
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Subject: Re: Ever seen King Crimson live?
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:43:05 GMT
References:
As long as we're all swapping stories...
I saw Fripp during his Frippertronics tour at the San Diego Tower Records. I
was seated by a record bin about 10 feet away, with a friend of mine. The
speech was good, along the same lines as articles he was publishing in that
period. There a question and answer session that included topics like a film
project with Deborah Harry and working with Bowie (who Fripp referred to as
'Mr. B'). The loops were great! He did some autograph signing afterward and
suggested that it would be nice if we bought 'Exposure' for him to sign. He
quipped that if we already owned it we should by copies for our mothers.
My friend and I were at the end of the line and Fripp didnt seem to be in a
hurry to run off, so we had a chance to chat with him a bit. I had brought 'No
Pussyfooting', so he signed his name and Eno's name and drew circles and arrows
to show who was who (ha ha). I told him the copy of 'Exposure' was for my mom
(actually she *had* given me the money), so on the cover he spontaneously drew
a speech balloon coming from his photo's mouth saying "Hi Mum!". My friend
indicated that we were "budding guitarists" and asked him for tips and
comments. We had a nice little chat that concluded with him winking and
shooting his finger like a gun at me as we turned to leave. Pretty cool guy.
I saw Crimson on their three US tours of 1981-1984. The first was easily the
best. They played in a gym at UCSD, with the audience seated on the floor. The
lighting was very simple and the power of the band was incredible. As I've said
before, the version of 'Satori In Tangier' that they played on that tour was
truly transcendental. Unaware that they would play older material, 'Red' and
'Larks 2' were stunning. One of the best concerts I've been to in my life.
The two subsequent US tours were good and entertaining but didn't contain the
passion, intensity or coherence of the first, IMO. Between things like Belew
getting more goofy and Bruford not feeling it was his place to keep time,
something definately was lost.
Gordon
Did I ever tell ya the one about sticking my head in Debbie Harry's limo after
a Blondie concert...
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Subject: Re: ***Suggestions for A. Phillips
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com ( 179 Peter Thelen)
Date: 26 Nov 92 07:59:03 GMT
Dave (dab112@psuvm.psu.edu) writes:
> Part II: I have my eyes on some Anthony Phillips solo projects.
>The one is called 'Ivory Moon'. It looks somewhat interesting. The
>other one is a bit more appealing to me. I believe the full title of
>this one is 'Private Parts & Pieces II: Back to the Pavilion' If I'm
>wrong on the title, don't hang me. My question is, are these record-
>ings really 'progressive' at all or are they just neat looking?? I'm
>trying to ascertain whether or not I should buy them.
Ivory Moon is a good one, but it's all solo piano stuff, so that may or
may not be what you're looking for. Back to the Pavillion is a little more
varied, some guitar stuff, a few piano tracks, some little experimental
bits. Are they Progressive ? the answer depends on your definition, IMHO
they are, but they are not progressive "rock". His albums are all really
different, If you'd like to sample at a minimum expense, there are a few
titles out domestically that won't break your bankbook: the ones I'd
reccomend are "Antiques" and "Fingerpainting" for starters, both are very
different. Another domestic title that's worthwhile is "1984", a lot of
people like this one. "Slow Dance" is a stinker though IMHO, unless you're
into lengthy orchestrated stuff that goes nowhere. Virgin is supposedly
going to release his full back catalog over the next year or so (domestic)
The following is something I wrote for gibraltar a while back, summarizing
his recorded history since leaving Genesis. Anyway, this may be of some
help....
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In the last year or so various Anthony Phillips titles have FINALLY begun to
appear on compact disc (mostly UK imports at around $22.00 each). It's great
to see that his back-catalog is being reissued for disc; for years the only
titles available were "Slow Waves,Soft Stars" (87), and "Slow Dance" (90)
But hold on to your checkbooks & credit cards: I have heard that Virgin ity
plans to eventually re-release his entire back catalog (their titles at
least) in the US at good old USA prices (under $15). The first two already
out are "1984" and "Antiques", "Fingerpainting" is out now as well.
"Tarka", which was released on a french label, won't be part of this.
Phillips was the guitarist in the original lineup of Genesis, and is featured
on their first two albums "From Genesis to Revelation" (1969) and "Trespass"
(1970). Phillips left the band about the time the latter was released, citing
medical reasons etc. The band went on as a four piece for some time, then
guitarist Steve Hackett was recruited to replace Phillips, and the rest is
history.
He recorded his first solo project in 1976 with help from Genesis bassist Mike
Rutherford. Since that time he's been fairly regular with about one release
per year. He was also part of the short lived "Intergalactic Touring Band"
with Renaissance lead singer Annie Haslam among others. He has also worked
with Rutherford on his solo projects, and others as well.
Phillips' music is difficult to describe, as it changes from one album to the
next; no two releases are alike. His music ranges from "English" sounding pop
to long orchestrated pieces, Electronic music, piano & guitar solos, and so
on. Some albums are 100% instrumental, others have various singers including
Phillips himself. The following is a discography of his solo work:
A N T H O N Y P H I L L I P S D I S C O G R A P H Y
-----------------------------------------------------------
1977 "THE GEESE AND THE GHOST" His first album with Genesis bassist
Mike Rutherford co-producing. The sound
is on the quiet side, mostly extended
instrumentally oriented tracks for two
guitars and mini-orchestra. Phil Collins
sings on two tracks. Connects nicely
with the early Genesis sound.
1978 "WISE AFTER THE EVENT" This contains mostly mid-length cuts
and vocals on every track (by Phillips
himself). The sound is more Electric
Progressive, and features John G.Perry
(Ex-Caravan) on bass and Michael Giles
(Ex-King Crimson) drumming throughout.
Also one of the best Album covers I've
ever seen !
1978 "PRIVATE PARTS & PIECES" This is an album of guitar and piano
solos, duets, quartets etc. originally
recorded between 1972 and 1976. All
Instrumental except for 1 track.
Some very nice stuff here.
1979 "SIDES" This one is more Electric Progressive
much like "Wise After the Event", but
a little more Poppy and Accessible.
Again features Perry and Giles on Bass
and Drums. Dan Owen (Ex-Happy The Man)
contributes vocals on two tracks, Dale
Newman on another, and the remaining
Vocals are by Phillips.
1980 "BACK TO THE PAVILLION" More Guitar & Piano solos & ensembles,
much in the vein of his "Parts & Pieces"
All of these odds & ends recorded from
1976 to 1978. Drums & Percussion on some
tracks by Andy McCulloch. Real nice.
1981 "1984" Three years early but what the heck.
This is a primarily an electronic
keyboard album by Phillips with help
from Richard Scott and percussion by
Morris Pert (Ex-Brand X). The whole
project has an Oldfieldian quality about
it, extended side-long tracks, etc.
1982 "ANTIQUES" An album of guitar duets recorded in 81
with Enrique Berro-Garcia. Outstanding.
Of all his Albums, this is by far my
favorite. What else can I say ?
1983 "INVISIBLE MEN" Phillips and Richard Scott again, but
this time the result is very intelligent
pop, many of the tracks here could have
been top 40.. no, forget that.. top 40
never sounded this good. Vocals and
writing are shared by Phillips & Scott
with other musicians helping out on
drums & whatnot.
1984 "A CATCH AT THE TABLES" Collection of guitar duets, ensembles
and other odds & ends recorded in the
period between 1979 and 1983. Some of
the material sounds much like "Antiques"
Other tracks vary in style. Drumbox is
used on several tracks. 1 vocal cut.
1984 "TWELVE" Twelve twelve string guitar tracks, one
for each month of the year. Not as much
variety here as on his other albums,
and that's its main drawback. Album is
long (60+ minutes on the LP). The cover
art is really nice.
1985 "HARVEST OF THE HEART" This is made up mostly of tracks culled
from "Parts & Pieces","Antiques",
"Pavillion" and "Catch at the Tables",
sort of a Best of Odds & Ends. 2 tracks
were previously unreleased. This is a
good introduction to his more intro-
spective solo work, if you can find the
LP. My understanding is that this one
wont be released on CD. The 2 unreleased
tracks have been added to other discs as
bonus tracks.
1986 "IVORY MOON" This is a full album of piano pieces
written between 1971 and 1985, and
recorded in 1985. No guitar at all !
Very nice throughout.
1987 "SLOW WAVES,SOFT STARS" Mostly Electronic, impressionistic
synthesizer music - although some guitar
tracks break it up nicely, including two
with Enrique Berro-Garcia. I found my
copy of the LP in the New Age section,
where it was right at home. Nice, but
slow and soft, just like the title says.
1989 "TARKA" Composed and performed with Harry
Williamson, a mini-orchestra is used
to augment the four extended pieces,
producing a sound that is reminiscent
of "Geese & the Ghost". No vocals.
This one is among my favorites also.
1990 "SLOW DANCE" Two long (25+ minute) pieces with full
orchestration; occasionally some guitar
surfaces here or there. Very quiet and
relaxing music, and very unlike anything
Phillips has done before.
1991 "FINGERPAINTING" This was actually released on limited
edition cassette two years before it
came to CD. This one features mainly
short electronic pieces written for
television and other electronic odds
and ends, a little like "Slow Waves",
but this one is much more interesting
with more variety. Long, 70+ minutes
1992 "NEW ENGLAND" This one is brand new, haven't heard
it yet. Looks like part of the PP&P
ongoing series.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's all so far. Have I forgotten any ? (or maybe there's some i dont know
about). Please let me know.
peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com) "The Lighthouse Keeper"
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Subject: Re: Richard Pinhas info
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1992 23:50:00 GMT
craigs@pyrdc.UUCP (Craig Shipley) writes:
>Check out the July 1992 issue of Audion for an interview with
>Pinhas. The next issue is supposed to contain a family tree and
>discography.
There's an interview at cs.uwp.edu ftp sites too. I think I have the
ascii version and can repost it...
>L'Ethique and East/West are his most "commercial" sounding releases
>(note that I have not heard all of his releases, so this may be wrong).
>The Fripp analogy is probably best suited to the _Allez-Teia_ release
>(as far as a Mellotron-based sound is concerned) although on _Iceland_
>the track "Winter Music" is a 26 minute piece of Frippertronics on
>synthesizer.
Actually I think the Fripp sounds are common to many of the Heldon and
Pinhas releases. I find L'Ethique a bit stronger at times than DWW and
think it's Pinhas at his best. Allez-Teia is the most gentle and Fripp and
Eno like Heldon release. Many other have noodling moog electronics bordering
on industrial atonal music.
>All of his material is out on CD either in the US or as a French import.
>Not all of the titles that are available in France are available in the
>US yet, but are due to be released two at time every nine months or so.
>Can't wait for _Rhizosphere_ to come out Stateside.
Standby is another one due out in the US eventually that I'd place very
high on my list of favorite Pinhas.
>Sorry, don't know what "DWW" translates out to in English...
It's some sort of quote from Neitchse or something like that. I think the
interview mentions this.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From jqdoumen@vub.ac.be Tue Aug 18 01:55:29 1992
An Interview With Richard Pinhas.
Paris - november 19th , 1991
By Jan Tack , Marco Hinic , Serge Devadder & Henri Hanot
Among collectors of electronic music some names have become legendary and are
present in every search list. These names include Richard Pinhas. Motivated by
the (necessary) reissue of his work on CD, we payed a visit to this friendly
guy, so that the legendary leader of the French cult group HELDON may break
the silence in which he had enshrouded himself since the release of his 1981
masterwork "L'Ethique ". We had a nice chat with him about Heldon,
Robert Fripp, Apple Computers and Nietzche.
It lasted three hours and twenty cigarettes.
Question: Why such a long silence ?
Richard Pinhas: I was finishing a new album when I gradualy became fed up with
the show-biz entourage I was forced to deal with. So I wanted to escape that
little world. However, the main reason for my departure from music was that I
had no musical statement to make. I had reached a point where I would merely
be repeating myself and so I prefered retireing. It was a deliberate choice.
Q: So there were no financial reasons ?
RP: None whatsoever. I still own 50% of the Ramses recording studio so making
an album in a co-production status would have been no problem at all. No, I
was just through with music. I didn't touch my guitar for six years! I could
hold it and strike a few chords but there was no contact, no urge to play.
Q: Was there a creative void in your life then ?
RP: No! I returned to philosophy, did a lot of thinking and wrote several
articles on the subject (note: Richard was a University teacher in the late
sixties and he is currently writing a book dealing with Friedrich Nietzche).
This takes a lot of time and reflection. I also did a lot of skydiving.
Q: You what ?!
RP: (laughing) Skydiving yes. Breaking a leg is no major disaster: you can
still write and eventualy play a guitar.
Q: What brought you back to music then ?
RP: I think I have some new ideas and I realized recently that playing music
is still very important to me. The unfinished 1983 album "D.W.W." (note:
abreviation of a famous Nietzche quote). will be released around June '92 .
I am also working with my old friend Jean-Philippe Goude on a new album. He
co-writes one of the tracks.
Q: Did you experience any difficulties to get back into music after such a
long vacation ?
RP: Not really but there was the whole MIDI-revolution to which I had to
adjust. With the old Moog systems, I needed a roomful of hardware; now it's
all on a small chip. Even though I remain convinced that the fat analog
Moog-sound is still unmatched.
At first I didn't like computers too much, but I finally ended up using
VISION software running on a Macintosh FX.
Q: Do you use MIDI-guitars ?
RP: Of course. I figured out a great combination using an older Roland MIDI
guitar which avoids the anoying system delays. In fact, I am above all a
guitarist, not a keyboard player. So I'm glad to have all the sound I like on
the instrument I master the best.
Q: What about sampling ?
RP: Hmm. I posess an EMAX but I'm not very sample minded. If you want to do
something interesting with it, you need days of work. So most people just use
it as a realistic string or brass section. That's absurd! If I need a
pianosound, I'll just use a piano! Everybody sticks to the same factorysounds
nowadays which you hear over and over again! This whole large scale synthesizer
business is a commercial hoax. The industry tells people they can sound like
Jean-Michel Jarre in their living-room and everybody's falling for it. So
there's an avalanche of average productions, all sounding identical and
without any spirit or innovative ideas. I'm not saying this because I don't
like Jarre (grins).
Music, as every art, must be "revolutionary" in itself, it has to break rules
and explore new boundaries. Of course, it gets harder to find new channels as
more of the theoretically infinite numbers of possibilities get used up. It's
very tempting to imitate someone else or to stick to a certain idea. That's
why I prefered quitting in 82.
Q: So a brilliant Jazz-musician who plays old cool-jazz is not an artist
according to you ?
RP: He may be making very good music but he's not making art, no. well,
I don't like the word "art" anyway. It's my general feeling about any
creative process. A mathematician should search for new theories, not stick
to 1 + 1 = 2.
Q: This idea of revolution is a constant in your work. Also from a political
point of view. Aren't you disapointed with what's left of May '68 ideas ?
RP: I was a left wing militant yes. The actual political situation is dramatic
as everyone has turned to a so-called social-democracy which still leaves
thousands unemployed. On the other hand I am very pleased with the evolution
in Eastern-Europe. You cannot hate Nazi fascism on one hand and support a
stalinist dictature on the other.
Q: Other subjects you treated were as diverse as Philosophy ( "L'Ethique" is
based on Spinoza's writings) and S.F. (References to Herbert's Dune on
"Chronolyse").
RP: They are not diffrent at all! Like music they are disciplines dealing with
various mental perspectives such as introspection and temporality. They are
merely diffrent shapes of the same thing.
Q: On this ocasion you worked with Norman Spinrad on the "East/West" album.
RP: Yes, he still lives in Paris but I haven't seen him for a while. I also
knew Michel Jeurry and the late Philip K. Dick.
Q: The Richard Pinhas and Heldon albums had become tremendous collector
items. Some have been reissued recently. How did that happen ?
RP: The people from Cuneiform records asked me a few years ago but I was not
interested at all at that time and did not even reply to their letter. Now
things are different and I have given my authorization. My entire backcatalog
is scheduled for reissue on CD within one year in France. The CD's will be
available from Spalax records. Cuneiform records will focus on the USA and
Canada, but at a slower rate of two titles per nine months. I'd like a
Japanese reissue too...
Q: Any bonus tracks or goodies ?
RP: Some CD's will contain previously unreleased material. "Winter Music" for
example on the "Iceland"-CD is a 22' track of Frippertronics on synthesizer.
It's quite special.
Q: With the distance in time how would you evaluate your work ? What are your
faves and do you have any regrets ?
RP: Very few. I think "Heldon Third" and "Allez-Tiia" did not stand time...I
should not have made those albums in the first place. But on the whole I
guess I contributed to electronic music. "Rhizosphere" for example was the
first combination of heavy live percussion and electronics. Drummer Frangois
Auger did some amazing work on that album. I'm quite content with "Iceland",
"East/West" and "L'Ethique", those are my best albums.
Q: Heldon was adventurous, without any compromise.
RP: Larry (Synergy) Fast told me around '77 that he couldn't believe I was
actually selling something like that. There were no dramatic chord changes,
virtualy no melodic lines,... It puzzled his American mind deeply (amused).
Q: And how well were you selling it ?
RP: The first album was an underground independent production and sold
17.000 copies which was quite a lot. "Iceland" on the other hand was released
by a major company (Polydor) but was a commercial fiasco. Paradoxically it
raised most of the royalties as it is often used on television for background
scores.
Most of my albums were released in Europe, the USA and Japan, so I can't
complain.
Q: But you never had a hit of course, Heldon was not exactly a "chartbuster".
RP: My record company asked me once to do something commercial; they wanted
a hit single ! So I decided to record "Telstar". I had always liked that tune
and eventually I was, and still am, quite pleased with the result. It was
released under the name "THX" as it was not my usual style, it didn't fit in.
I believe it was a small succes in Germany.
Q: Speaking about names, what differenciates "Heldon" from "Richard Pinhas" ?
RP: I have always considered "Heldon" as a group with a certain continuity
and with a solid core composed of Frangois Auger, Didier Batard and myself.
We spent days and months practically living together. On the later albums,
when musicians occured, it was always for a short period, a brief recording
session or a tour. As the continuity was lost, I prefered abandoning the name
"Heldon" and releasing these albums under my name.
Q: Do you know that there is a Heldon-bootleg album ?
RP: (very surprised) No! Really ?! Well, I don't mind, in fact I am rather
flattered. That's my anarchist nature speaking (laughs). I just hope they
chose good stuff...
Q: If you would have had MIDI digital equipment...
RP: (interupting) No! I would have made exactly the same music. It was
composed anyway, thought over and elaborated mentally before I played it.
Besides there was a musical stadium that had to be gone through
independently of the equipment and instruments used. You can't skip the past
and go straight to the present.
Q: There's a large parallel between your music and the works of Robert Fripp.
How much did it inspire you ?
RP: I think I must have been subconsciently influenced by the tapes he played
before his concerts in 73-74. But the first Heldon-albums were released
together with the Fripp & Eno stuff. There was no imitation involved, just a
coincidence in time.
Q: Do you know him personally ?
RP: I was very flattered when Fripp showed appreciation for my work, even
coming to my concerts. Eventually we became good friends. This is probably
why we never played together. There was no need for it anymore as we were
already very close. I once asked him to play on one of my pieces. I had made a
demo with some guitar parts. Fripp listened to it and said it would be
pointless for him to play on it as he 'd probably play it the same way.
Q: So where lies the difference then between the guitarist Fripp and Pinhas ?
RP: (laughing) Robert is much better !
However, we both have a style which is quite recognizable. Even on a rotten
amp with a bad guitar, I would play my own sound. (adding softly) Which isn't
too bad I guess.
Q: A matter of technique ?
RP: Technique alone is insufiscient but not a conditio sine qua non. If you
have the genius spark, you do something great with a total lack of musical
technical skill. A striking example is Brian Eno. He 's a poor keyboardplayer
and guitarist but what a great musician!
However, most of the time, technique adds much to the result, yes. It also
saves a lot of time in a recording situation.
Q: Any plans to cooperate with Fripp in the future ?
RP: If he asks me, I'll come. There have been plans in the past but it never
worked out. The same for Robert Wyatt, with whom I had an even more advanced
project. Who knows ?
Q: You covered a David Bowie track on "East/West".
RP: Not exactly. I had recorded a piece but was annoyed by the feeling that I
had used a series of 3 or 4 notes which I'd heard somewhere else. It's only
later that I realized it came from the "Heroes" album. It's practically
unrecognizable but out of artistic honesty I gave Bowie credit for the track.
The irony is that Bowie has all my albums and that apparently I was a
candidate for the "Heroes" LP ! I found this very flattering. Froese was an
other candidate but when he had entered the Berlin studio with a few tons of
his Moog-material, Fripp, who was used to Eno's small devices, had become
very nervous and that was that (laughs).
Q: Speaking of Froese, the Germans were never your favourites.
RP: Honnestly, I didn't know the music of the Berlin School until some
friends introduced me to it. I admit that I have more affinities with the
English School and that I am not a Tangerine Dream fanatic, but this group
has done tremendous work for electronic music. "Phaedra" and "Aqua" are
splendid albums that I enjoyed a lot. And Klaus Schulze stayed with me a
while, we had some nice discussions.
However I believe Kraftwerk to be the most inventive German group. I'm very
fond of their work. When they had recorded "T.E.E." they honoured me with an
invitation to an interview with the French radio.
Q: Do you like "The MIx" ?
RP: It's my favourite album of the last few months. I'm really looking
forward to see them again in concert.
Q: What else do you listen to lately ?
RP: Miles Davis, Wagner,... Whatever catches my ear.
Richard then let us hear a brilliant track from the forthcomming album which
is continuing the line of "L'Ethique". If this interview has made you curious
about Richard's music, then don't hesitate to discover his reissued work on
CD. It's among the most exciting electronic music you can get. And for those
who already know HELDON, get ready folks because the best is yet to come !
The authors would like to thank the following people for their enthusiasm,
kindness and generous help:
Agneta Nilsson and Richard Pinhas
Steve Feigenbaum and all at Wayside-Cuneiform (USA)
Robert Lenoir and Crystal Lake (France)
Frits Cauwenberg from KLEM (Holland)
Audion magazine (England)
An Interview With Richard Pinhas
If you have more information about Richard Pinhas please contact :
Devadder Serge
Ch. Woestelaan 140 bus 12
1090 Brussel
Belgium
or
Doumen Jan
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Subject: Re: Amon Duul?
From: bain1@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Date: 4 Dec 92 11:37:23 GMT
In article <0yL7uB2w165w@bluemoon.use.com>, buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com (Patrick Buzby) writes:
>
> Anyone know much about this band? I know onXly that they were part
> of the first wave of German progressive groups (along with Can, Faust,
> Kraftwerk, and Tangerine Dream). @ Recently, I've seen the CDs "Yeti" and
> "BBC Radio I Live" by this group, and I'd like to know if these are good
> and where other titles can be found. Any response would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
Amon Duul were a short-lived experimental band consisting of about 5 drummers
and various other musicains, playing experimental rock music very loud. They
split up very rapidly and formed Amon Duul and Amon Duul II. Amon Duul II
released several LPs in the seventies, and are the band people are generally
referring to when they mention Amon Duul. Amon Duul (I) have some records
around, but I've nor heard any of them. They also reformed in the Eighties
(with founder member Dave Anderson of Hawkwind, and a drummer who sounds
unnervingly like Guy Evans from Van Der Graaf) and released several more
albums. Of these, I've heard the compilation 'Airs on a Shoe String' which is
guitar-based psych./rock with awful drumming. Another one I know of is with
Robert Calvert and is called Hawk Meets Penguin. Don't buy this, it's shite.
The seventies Amon Duul II albums are as follows:
Phallus Dei - VERY wierd noise/rock. Loud and furious with almost no tunes.
Yeti - becoming more tuneful. Double album with two sides of improvisation
which is surprisingly good when played loud and in the dark.
Tanz Der Lemminge - A good one. Another double with a side of improvisation.
The imp. isn't so good tis time, but the songs are classic German prog.
Carnival in Babylon - I THINK this is next. It's not as good as Lemminge,
but still has its moments.
Wolf City - for my money, the best of the lot. By far the most obviously
"progressive" sounding - lots of deeply layered synths and guitar.
Live in London - contains heavier, more rocky tracks of some of the songs
on Yeti and Lemmings.
Vive La Trance - Much more "poppified" than the others. I owned this for two
weeks, then sold it in disgust.
That's all the albums I know of. Dave Anderson fans should note that he only
appears on Phallus Dei and Yeti.
Hope this is of some help.
- Mark.
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Subject: Lyrics: Crimsons Red Album, Yes Really!!!
From: mfrazer@scott.skidmore.edu (The Wombat)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 06:12:04 GMT
Res, it's the lyrics to Red, I was suprised that these weren't on the
lyric archive, so I'm gonna put them there, as well as to Discipline,
the Crimson newsletter.
Enjoy...
----------
Album: Red
----------
--------------------
Artist: King Crimson
--------------------
1. Red (Instrumental)
2. Fallen Angel
Tears of joy at the birth of a brother
Never alone from that time
Sixteen Years through knife fights and danger
Strangely why his life not mine
West side skyline crying
Fallen angel dying
Risk a life to make a dime
Lifetimes spent on the streets of a city
Make us the people we are
Switchblade stings in one tenth of a moment
Better get back to the car
Snow white side streets of cold New York City
Stained with his blood it all went wrong
Sick and tired blue wicked and wild
God only knows for how long
Fallen angel
Fallen angel
West side skyline
Crying for an angel dying
Life expiring in the city
Fallen angel...
3. One More Red Nightmare
Pan American nightmare
Ten thousand feet fun-fair
Convinved that I don't care
It's safe as houses I swear
I was just sitting musing
The virtues of cruising
When altitude dropping
My ears started popping
One more red nightmare
Sweat beginning to pour down
My neck as I turn round
I heard fortune shouting
Just get off of this outing
A farewell swan song
See you know how turbulence can be
The stewardess made me (*see note*)
One more red nightmare
Reality stirred me
My angel had heard me
The prayer had been answered
A reprieve has been granted
The dream was now broken
Thought rudely awoken
Really safe and sound
Asleep on the Greyhound
One more red nightmare
4. Providence (Instrumental)
5. Starless
Sundown dazzling day
Gold through my eyes
But my eyes turned within
Only see
Starless and bible black
Ice blue silver sky
Fades into grey
To a grey hope that oh years to be
Starless and bible black
Old friend charity
Cruel twisted smile
And the smile signals emptiness
For me
Starless and bible black
Lyrics taken without permission from a Japanese recording of Red
*Note, though it is not listed there is a one after "The stewardess..."
I believe it is "But the captain forbade me" could be that the CD is
definitive edition, the lyrics may not be, but I really don't know,
it's not unusual for thigs to be odd like that (Ohh, that made sense)
-MJF
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Subject: Gong lyrics?
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 17:49:30 GMT
Are there Gong lyrics in ftp archives? Someone was asking me for some`
and I looked at ftp.uwp.edu and couldn't find any.
Someone asked about You a few weeks ago and if that lp had liner notes
originally, like teh rest of the trilogy lps. I thought it didn't,
but Clive was kind enough to email me the liner notes and lyrics.
Here they are. If anyone else has any other Gong lyrics online please send
them to me so I can help out a Russian friend who can't access this group.
>From: Clive Backham
Here is a transcript of the insert that came with the original LP of "You".
This insert was printed on just one side of a single 12"x12" sheet, and
was in six columns (hence the short lines). Other than collapsing these
six columns into one, I have retained the exact layout (words on each
line, blank lines, indentation, capitalisation, etc), and have also
retained all peculiar spellings and obvious typos (eg. "gomna" for
"gonna", "wierd" spelled incorrectly): you never know what Daevid Allen
meant to do deliberately, and if one can't tell where to draw the line
when applying "corrections", it's better not to make any at all.
I have proof read this transcript a few times, and am pretty sure that
all typos you may find are of the (sic) variety.
While typing it in and reading the sheet again, it's obvious that the
words to "Master Builder" are supposed to fit into the story, although
their relevance eludes me (as does the relevance of much of the words
throughout the whole trilogy: I just love this stuff for the music,
the mood, and the silliness :-)
Cheers,
Clive (clive@mcdd1.uucp)
******* START OF INSERT SHEET *******
At the end of Radio Gnome 2
(ANGELS EGG) Zero had just
come down from a mystical trip
to the Planet Gong on the other
side of the sky to find himself
in bed which brings us to
RADIO GNOME 3
YOU
SIDE 1
1 THOUGHT FOR NOUGHT
1m 30
Bloomdido:
If you want to fly if you
want to become a star
a super hero
You could try the ascension
of the great pyramid of life
Yoni:
Counting again and again
from one to nine
Bloom:
Approaching and pushing away
infinity
O sweet absurdity
But if you prefer that old
silly number zero
You'll become a master
of doing nothing - being nothing
2 A P.H.P.'S ADVICE 1m 37
Dingo:
In case you don't remember
this is what you do
get up outa bed now
if there's nothing left to
find the answer to
here is
question number 1
If you're a believer ...
what do you believe?
Why do you believe it?
Doncha ever wonder ...
If its really true ...
Do you? Question no. 2
Really ... that's the mystery
Let a pot head pixie
tell you what to do
and this is what he'll tell you
if you gotta problem
to know who you are
here now
this is what you do
Remember
you are me
I am you
all of us together
now go
AUM
Then follows two magickal
formulas to relax you into the
natural high which this music
can bring to you if you want
3 MAGICK MOTHER
INVOCATION
Yoni:
ISHTAR IAO DIANNA
subtle sex fertile
wisdom fuse love
4 MASTER BUILDER
(C.O.I.T.)
(a) Mistyc Mister Invocation
Band:
IAO ZA-I ZA-O sexuality
MA-I MA-O motherforce
TA-I TA-O NOW
lightforce
Saxaffirmation by Bloomdido
(b) Zero seeks to Bring His
Vision From Gong down to
Earth Conditions Intact
Thinks:
Maybe you don't know ...
Maybe you know ...
Maybe you know you know
Maybe you don't know what
you know you know you
know ...
Maybe you don't know what
You know you know ZA-I ZA-O
MA-I MA-O TA-I TA-O NOW
Guitar transmissions by Stevie
(c) Zero Asks Hiram The
Master Builder How to
Structure His Vision
Q: Master Builder
Tell me how you make a
temple?
A: Tools and moon stones
you don't really need them
you know
Q: Master Builder
Tell me what the temple's
made of?
A: Deep inside you
you can build an invisible
temple in your own
imagination if you will
5 A SPRINKLING OF
CLOUDS 8m 42
Deep in his crystal clear temple
made of will and imagination
Zero finds the power to ride
above the clouds looking down
upon his struggling human
hang-ups seeing clearly the
next-step ... to seek
one-ness and achieve
that permanent natural
high by which (once universal)
would transform this world
into a
worthwhile place to live.
So Zero, remembering the
prediction
of the Octave Doctor on Planet
Gong
now sets off for the Island of
Everywhere
in search of illumination
SIDE 2
Clue 1 for mythomaniacs:
Bali is everywhere
6 PERFECT MYSTERY 2m 25
Zero arrives on the magick isle
and observes an ancient tree
Zero:
It's a perfect mystery
how becomes a tree a tree
but there's something telling me
that
nothing is for nothing is for
nothing is for only one lifetime
learning to be
Band:
Cops at the door
Yoni:
No cops at the door
Band:
Cops at the door
Yoni:
No cops at the door
What a surprise!
She looked the cupboard
and found the eyes in the
suitcase
Zero:
On the Isle of Everywhere
it becomes a man to share
all and everything he cares for
every one is every body else is
slowly
melting themselves together
again
Zero:
Look up in the air
Yoni:
The Octave Doctor's there!
Zero: And when he strokes his
gong
Yoni:
Your middle eye comes on
What a surprise!
She looked around for Zero
But he'd lost his eyes
In a fruitcake
Clue 2 for mytho's: Fruitcake
earthling pleasures
7 THE ISLE OF
EVERYWHERE 10m 21
A. The Melting Feast of Freaks
The Switch Doctor Turns
Everybodies Thiord Eye On
But Where Is Zero?
(a) Here comes the Switch
Doctor
the Octave Doctor on
Earth ...
O spirit ... wind ... I love
you ...
whispers Yoni the Good
Witch
swooping down out of the
clouds
on her electronic broomstick
(b) Ohhh Yeah! wails
Bloomdido on
Soprano sax
(c) This is the moment of the
BIG FLASH
sez Stevie and illustrates it
on his guitar
Higher and higher you all rise
together till in the final
moment
of almost unbearable
intensity. You
melt all together into one
vision
and become Seers
Connoisseurs note: this piece
of music was composed to be
listened to while contemplating
the power symbol of the Octave
Doctors (Gong Mandala),
available as a poster from Virgin,
wherebye the experience of
total melt may be approached.
B GET It Inner or Do The
Dither
For Zero Is Spaced Out On
Fruitcake Again
Joyfool gnomesong by
Bloomdido
Final ditherwords by Dingo
PHP: have a cuppa tea
Zero: cuppa hubba dubba
Chorus: didn't you forget
something?
Zero: roll another brother
Chorus: maybe you forgot
someone ...
PHP: a bit a' cake?
Zero: yum yum!
PHP: haven't you
forgotten ...
Zero: have another drink ...
PHP: have a lager!
Zero: wot did we forget
let's see ...
PHP: sink another one
Zero: yea yea!
PHP: Wots the scene today?
Zero: you know the Octave
Doc ...
PHP: whe's he comin
momma?
Zero: ... wots the time?
PHP: don't know
Zero: we better ask
PHP: have another lager
Zero: Where has everybody
PHP: Gong! I hear the Gong!
Zero: wait a minute man
PHP: hey! we missed the
Buzz ...
Chorus: Oh No!
C. Peace of Mind Or Piece of
Cake or Zero Goofs Again
Dingo: Zero ...
Where are you ...
doncha remember why
you came
to Everywhere ...
The piece of mind that
you came to find
has dis-appeared ...
for all that you could
take
was piece of cake and
wine ...
and now you'll have
to wait
another time ...
8 YOU NEVER BLOW YR
TRIP FOREVER 11m 24
Dingo:
maybe you're here for the giggle
maybe you're into the puzzle
maybe you're blowing the bubble
maybe you're all in a muddle
i
the more you know
the more you know you
don't know what you know
stone's throw left to go
bad weather hell for leather
now & zen you goof again
you never blow your trip
forever
ii
earth mother soul brother
be high here now
third eye open soon
meanwhile new world group
soul
lost and found underground
next time round
iii
a real wierd number
is Zero the man
because he a turnin on
round & round again
they say he'll never make it
But I think he can
iv
there's a hold in the morning
it's the hole that he was born in
now the old man's yawnin ...
v
It's the world of illusions
and Zero the Hero
is up to his ears
in the mysteries ...
No solution to speak of ...
round & round & round &
round & round
that's Zero going round again ...
And maybe you come
and maybe you're gone
and maybe you're right
and maybe you're wrong
maybe you're a one
and maybe you two
and maybe you're free
and dunno what for
just as long as you're alive
it's all the same
it's all in the name
it's all in the sky and
it doesn't really matter
if you make it
so long as you try
So its back on the path
beside the road to
everywhere
gomna jump my horses
over the weeks to everywhere
and with you we will share
your sack of cares ...
and if things don't change for
better or worse
well man you must be dead
but cha don't have to give up
hope
and ya don't have to give up
dope
(until you do)
and ya don't have to change
your ways
you just
have to
be what you are my friends
today ...
that's what the Octave Doctor
says ...
(flashbacks)
Dingo:
So there goes Zero the Hero
turning on around the spiral
wheel
of births and deaths and
each time round he gets a little
closer to being one.
Meanwhile the Octave Doctors
and the Pot Head Pixies and
all the other characters of
Planet Gong hafta leave you now
with a last little song:
vi
Why don't you try?
vii The Mantram Chant of You
all together now ...
YOU ARE I OR I AM YOU
YOU I AM OR I AM YOU
YOU AM I OR AM I YOU
YOU ARE MAYA RAM
ARE YOU
YOU ARE MY HIRAM
ARE YOU
YOU AM I OR I AM YOU
YOU ARE MAYA I AM YOU
YOU AM I AS I ARE YOU
YOU ARE MAYA'S EYE
ARE YOU
YOU ARE I OR I AM YOU
END. Bye Bye
GONG IS ONE AND ONE IS
YOU
With love to all of the greater
family of Gong Peoples all over
the world of course means YOU.
This is only a skeletal summary
of the story of Part 3 the entire
triology of the Radio Gnome
series will soon be published as
a full colour illustrated book
complete with photos documents
source material references,
glossaries and all you could wish
to know about the mythology
of Planet Gong.
******* END OF INSERT SHEET *******
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: HAWKWIND
From: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
Date: 5 Jul 93 13:01:56 GMT
curmp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Marc Phillips) writes:
>agwing@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing) writes:
>>Marc Phillips (curmp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu) wrote:
>>: I bought Hawkwinds "The Best and The Rest of Hawkwind" and found it
>>: incredibly boring.
>> What tracks from what releases are on this disc?
>>--
>>Andy Wing Lead Applications Analyst - Temple University Computer Services
>>v2002a@vm.temple.edu v2002a@templevm.bitnet@pucc.princeton.edu
>>agwing@astro.ocis.temple.edu
>1. High Rise
>2. British Tribal Music
>3. Spirit of The Age
>4. Urban Guerilla
>5. Born To Go
>6. Space is Deep
>7. You Shouldn't Do That
>8. Silver Machine
>The CD is live. It doesn't say when or what albums these tracks came
>from only the title and the writers/publishers.
This is just a compilation CD from various sources. Most of the tracks
are from 70's Hawkwind. It's definitely not one of the better
compilations.
There's a private email list for Hawkwind and Blue Oyster Cult fans. If
anyone wants info, please email me. We have files containing
discographies, band history, lyrics, and track sources. If anyone wants
these then again, email me. Attached is my own review of Hawkwind
albums. Since I have 'em all, it's worth noting that it's written from
the perspective of a fan. On the other hand, having heard everything
they've done, I do (for once :-) know what I'm talking about....
Note also that it was written for a bunch of not-quite-completist collectors.
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1970 Hawkwind [re-released as pic disk 1980] also as "Rock File"
weird and not the established Hawkwind style, but since it's their first
album it's a "must have". The Seeing It As You Really Are track is great.
Very acid rock in flavour.
1971 X In Search Of Space [originally contained booklet: The Hawkwind Log]
Established the rambling-guitar and spacey-noises style they adopted for
the early 70's. Master of the Universe and You Shouldn't Do That became
tour staples for most of the band's history.
1972 Doremi Fasol Latido [orig. contained Star Rats poster]
More heavy on the guitar than XiSoS. Contains established tracks like
Brainstorm and Down Through The Night.
1972 The Text Of Festival: Live 1970-2 (live)
Poor sound quality live album. Mostly jamming tracks. nah, don't bother.
1973 Space Ritual Alive (live) [double album. Contained open-out sleeve]
Live stuff pretty much in the vein of Doremi. This is the *classic*
Hawkwind album.
1973 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin (live) [ = Early Daze ]
Another poor quality live compilation. Don't bother
1974 Hall Of The Mountain Grill
If you don't have this then you don't have a hawkwind collection. The
band had two drummers at this point and they'd acquired synths instead
of just noise generators. This saw the introduction of the melodic synth
tracks that later appeared on every album and gig.
1975 Warrior On The Edge Of Time
Very much in the vein of HotMG. Mike Moorcock made his first appearance
on this one and the album was loosely based on his Eternal Champion
books. Moorcock does some readings from the books on the album.
1976 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music
Different to their style up to this point and different to anything that
followed. Three members were sacked after this for trying to turn
Hawkwind "funky". Opinions vary a lot on this album but it certainly has some
very good tracks. A lot of Calvert influence.
1976 Roadhawks (studio material w/remixes by Brock)
One of the better compilations, and an official one. Remixed live
version of Shouldn't Do That. Get this one.
1977 Quark Strangeness And Charm
Hawkwind were very much under the Calvert influence at this stage. A
mixture of synth stuff, Calvert SF-theatre tracks like Spirit of The
Age, and Brock/Calvert rock tracks like Damnation Alley and Hassan I
Sabha. One of their best albums.
1978 PXR5
same lineup as Quark with some live tracks from the 1977 tour: Robot,
Uncle Sam's On Mars, and High Rise.
1978 Hawklords - 25 Years On
It's hard to describe this one. It's supposed to be based on a factory
making car doors to trade for angel's wings. It's almost pure Bob
Calvert at his most wacked out. Some good tracks and some pretty dull
ones. This album and the subsequent tour led to the breakup of the band.
1979 Hawkwind Live '79
Brock won the rights to the name "Hawkwind" and reformed the band with
calls to 1971 members Huw Lloyd Langton and legendary synthesist Tim
Blake. A really strong lineup and a very energetic album.
1980 Levitation [original release was on blue vinyl]
Simon King left and Ginger Baker joined leaving Hawkwind with arguably
the best synth player and the best drummer in the rock industry. Their
most musical album - one which even stopped Sounds asking "Are those
hippies *still* at it?". Good rock tracks and great instrumental tracks.
1981 Sonic Attack
Baker and Blake had quit by this point and the folks from Sonic
Assassins had joined the band. Moorcock made a reappearance to write a
couple of tracks. Back to the loud&fast rock tracks for the most part
without the grungy sound of Doremi.
1981 Sonic Assassins 12EP [live recording from '77]
Quirky, but worth getting. The first side is a weird
impromtu stream-of-conciousness performance by Calvert when he got bored
with Bainbridge's synth. It made for a strange track, but it works well.
1981 Hawkwind Zoo 12EP
Quirky again but good for the instrumental Kings of Speed track.
1982 Victoria double album
My opinions vary on this one. It's rare though and it certainly isn't a
bad album. It's a compilation of a lot of the stuff they did on
Flicknife Records.
1982 Church of Hawkwind [originally with booklet]
The most electronic of Hawkwind's albums betraying a heavy Brock
influence.
1982 Choose Your Masques
Almost back to Sonic Attack but with some weird synth interludes.
1982 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield (Festival Records)
A bootleg. Not brilliant sound. Rare anyway, so expensive.
1982 Friends And Relations - Hawkwind
1983 Friends And Relations II (Twice Upon A Time)
1985 Friends And Relations III
1988 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD
Depends how interested you are in the Hawkwind spinoff bands really.
1983 Zones [also released as pic disk]
Some good tracks. Not the most powerful album but definitely worth
getting. Contains the Dangerous Visions track that Keith Hale wrote.
1984 The Earth Ritual Preview (EP)
This was going to be an album but it didn't work out. Contains the Night
of the Hawk anthem.
1984 Stonehenge (This Is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic) (live) [LP & EP]
Another not so great sound quality live album but like Live '79, it
captures what a live Hawkwind gig is about. Worth having.
1985 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword
An album based on Moorcock's "Elric character. Kind of a Warrior on the
Edge of Time mark II but with heavier guitar.
1985 Space Ritual II
Another gig on the same tour as Space Ritual. Same tracks. Perhaps
only collectors will want both albums.
1985 Live Chronicles (live)
The live and kicking version of the Black Sword album. Moorcock
originally did the readings but some contractual dispute had his efforts
removed and replaced.
1985 Ridicule (live 1973)
The other half of Space Ritual II. Same comment
1985 Welcome To The Future (Mausoleum Records)
Another not so good live compilation
1985 Live '70/'73
Yet another not so good live compilation
1986 Independent Days, Vol. I
Rare now. It's a bit like the Friends & Relations stuff.
1986 Independent Days, Vol. II
Ditto.
1987 Out And Intake
Ditto again, but I would get this one. It has something.
1987 Hawkwind Box Set - The Official Picture Log Book
Depends if you have the stuff in it already. The package is a good one
though.
1988 The Xenon Codex
This took a while but it grew on me. Some good rock tracks and some
excellent synth interludes.
1988 Zones/Stonehenge CD
On balance worth getting if you see it.
1988 Spirit of the Age CD
There are two of these. The earlier one of Charisma (76-78) stuff is
good. The later one is just another compilation. Depends which of the
tracks you already have.
1988 Hawkwind Live [German CD: Imtrat]
This is just Space Ritual II
1990 Space Bandits
I still don't like all of this album but the good tracks are good. It's
an official album though. Depends on your attitude.
1991 Palace Springs (live)
The best modern live album although it contains updated versions of some
of the 70's tracks.
1991 Hawkwind: Space Rock from London
If you see this, grab it with all your hands. It's a remixed version of
the BBC disk and it is absolutely awesome live early hawkwind. You might
never listen to Doremi or Space Ritual again ;-)
1991 The Golden Void [Live at Glasgow Apollo 19/10/82]
official bootleg? poorish sound. It was a great gig though. Consider it.
1991 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords [Live 1990]
Comes with the Gigi Marinoni lyric book. Good sound, though not my fave
tracks. The package is worth getting IMHO, though not everyone agrees.
1972 Glastonbury Fayre (with various artists)
Earliest Hawkwind it's possible to get. Silver Machine and Welcome. the
rest of this triple LP set is other bands. UK Hippy stuff. Out on CD now
though. It's up to you.
1972 Greasy Trucker's Party
Similar to above though just Hawkwind and Man. Awesome early live Born
To Go and Master of the Universe. Watch out though, there are two Greasy
truckers compilations. The other one has Gong et al on it.
1977 Masters of the Universe (Compilation)
Three LP's of this name. The early one is official and has "It's So Easy
on it". The other tracks appear elsewhere, but if you don't have 'em
then this is a good album. The later compilation of this name is just
another compilation and the third one is the "In The Beginning" album
which is just half of Text of Festival. Clear? :-)
1979 Repeat Performances (Compilation)
A Charisma Compilation. Good choice of tracks. get this one if poss.
1981 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line (New York 1978)
Bootleg. Sound is okish. Up to you.
1981 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981
Tape only. I was there. Awesome gig. Get it if you can.
1984 Utopia 1984
A good compilation. Worth getting.
1985 In The Beginning (Live "Top Gear" BBC Session 1970)
Half of Text of Festival. The half with the better sound, though that's
not saying much.
1986 Angels of Death
Compilation of RCA stuff covering 81-83. It's ok.
1986 The Hawkwind Collection
Double album. A good compilation. Worth having.
1986 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I LP
1986 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II LP
1986 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP
1986 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I CD
1986 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II CD
The three anthologies are just the same as the Acid Daze anthologies. I
think the two CD's don't cover all the tracks on the three LP's, though
the Acid Daze CD's do. There are also vinyl box sets of both. They're
ok, a cross between just another compilation and a good history of the
band. The later Hawkwind Anthology 3-CD set is better though since Brian
Tawn picked the tracks. You're more likely to see that one anyway. It's
in a blue box with red ~Hawkwind" lettering.
1986 The Approved History of Hawkwind (Samurai Records)
The above in a box set.
1987 British Tribal Music (live, compilation) [Good sound quality. Digitally
As it says, good sound but really just another compilation. Not a great
choice of tracks.
1987 Early Daze
Just another compilation. Not a great choice of tracks.
1988 Traveller's Aid Trust (with various artists)
Sort of a live Friends & Relations. not great really.
1989 Night of the Hawk [Powerhouse Compilation]
Just another compilation.
1989 Ironstrike [Avanti Records ISTCD 004]
Another compilation. Not bad though.
1990 Stasis - The U.A. Years 1971-1975 LP
A good compilation. Rare singles mixes of tracks. Worth getting.
1990 Night Riding
Just another compilation. Goodish though.
1990 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind [Action Replay records.
Just another compilation. Not so good.
1990 The Best of Hawkwind (volume #2 of Metal Classic series by EMI)
Cassette only. Just another compilation.
1991 The Early Years Live EP
4 tracks. I like 'em. Vinyl only. Worth getting.
1991 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CMA CD 129]
The "other" album of this name. Not so worth having as the early one.
1991 The BBC Radio Disc
The "lost" BBC disk. Gotta get this one if you can't find the better
mixed "Space Rock From London" CD of the same gig.
1991 Spirit of The Age [on "Elite". Different from 1988 Charisma compilation]
Just another compilation. Good tracks though.
1991 Castle Masters Collection
Just another compilation. Not bad.
1991 Friday Rock Show - Live at Reading '86
If you liked Live Chronicles then this is the one for you. Screamin'
live Hawkwind. Amazing stuff. Get it. Reappearance by Lemmy on this one.
1992 Electric Teepee - double album, a "must have"
1992 Mighty Hawkwind Classics CD: a compilation of 4 EP's: Hawkwind
Zoo, Earth Ritual Preview, Motorhead/Valium Ten, Sonic Assassins. It's
hard to get the EP's so this is a "must have".
1992 The Hawklords Live: Live stuff from the 1978 tour. Definitely worth
having.
1992 This is Hawkwind: Do Not Panic - all but two tracks of this are on
the Zones/Stonehenge CD. It depends on how much you want "Stonehenge
Decoded" and yet another version of "Watching the Grass Grow". If you
don't have the double CD though, this is a *kicking* live album so get
this version.
1992 The Psychedelic Warlords: limited edition CD from Rock Cave. It's
similar to "Stasis" in that it concentrates on the UA years 1971-1975
with the emphasis on the singles b-side mixes. Again, definitely worth having.
1992 California Brainstorm - Live US tour 1990. Similar to Palace
Springs but shares only one track. Some good live tracks like Reefer
Madness, Hassan I Sabha, Out of the Shadows, Night of the Hawk,
Ejection. Get this one.
1992 Hawkwind at Stonehenge 1983
Yugoslav bootleg of the Solstice concert. Good sound quality. the
concert was Hawkwind in jamming mode with Turner's sax very much to the
fore. I was standing in the middle of Stonehenge watching the Sun rise
when they played Spirit of the Age. It's etched on my brain. I'm biased,
but get this one.
1992 Zones - finally released as a single CD. Some tracks that don't
appear elsewhere, but not a startling album.
1992 Orgasmatron - a bootleg CD culled from various live performances.
Good versions of a number of staple Hawkwind tracks with the bonus of
New Jerusalem appearing for the first time.
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