Astral Determinism at dikoobrazy.com
From: verbit@crowleymass.com (Misha Verbitsky)
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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:50:14 GMT
Subject: Re: The Plan Must Be Fulfilled......
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.russian,relcom.culture.underground,relcom.music
In article <543gvt$jt1@igc.apc.org>, David Johnson wrote:
>verbit@crowleymass.com (Misha Verbitsky) wrote:
>
>
>>Akh ty Stalin, parnishka zhestokiy
>>Ty zachem v 37-mom poshutil
>>Vernykh lenintsev dergal ty tokom,
>>Ponastroil ty bratskikh mogil.
>>A oni byli kak svyatye,
>>Kak yagnyata, druz'ya Il'icha.
>>A teper' ikh vnuki krutye
>>V mikrofon nashu glasnost' krichat. -- Sergey Zharikov.
>
>From: adomrin (Alexander Domrin)
>Subject: A message for Misha Verbitsky.
>Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 15:47:55 -0400 (EDT)
>
> Misha, PRIVET!
>
> Thanks for a citation from DK. Actually the text was written not by
> Sergei Zharikov, but by Andrei Arkhipov. Originally Zharikov
> planned to record NEPRESTUPNAYA ZABYVCHIVOST album
> not with Aleksei Vyshnya (who sings the song that
> you cited), but with Sergei Kuryokhin.
Another interesting connection between DK and Kurekhin
(aside from political -- Kurekhin's membership in NBP,
etc) is that Sergey Letov (brother of Egor) was a
member of DK for a long time, and he was also
playing with Kurekhin in a lot of Kurekhin's records
(there is I think even a joint record of Letov with Kurekhin).
views with Kurekhin or Zharikov, is an orthodox jazzman
in his other work and is very sceptical towards extreme music.
Could you shed some light on how this (rather traditional)
musician tolerated the people like Zharikov? Maybe Egor
exagerrates his brother's timidness?
>I will be in Moscow in November
> and will tell both Zharikov and Arkhipov that an excert of their song
Thanks. By the way, isn't Arkhipov the same guy who (with
Zharikov) was an ideologue of early LDPR and published
``Sokol Zhirinovskogo''? There is an Arkhipov mentioned
in Limonov's ``Limonov Protiv Zhirinovskogo'', but I have not
this book with myself.
> appeared in David Johnson's list. That would be fun! Do you know that
> Zharikov's magazine "K TOPORU" was banned by Yeltsin in October of 1993,
> and that Sergei is still under criminal investigation, but -
> publishes another magazine "ATAKA"? He also reissued 7 of his albums
Yes, I know of Ataka, but for all my stay in Russia (6 months)
I was unable to find it anywhere, even if I checked Gorbushka
(D. K. Gorbunova) and Museum of Revolution regularly (about
weekly in fact). I have bought most DK CD's, though -- they
are among the best of all stuff issued on CD in Russia.
I think that Zharikov should put Ataka on WWW -- it's a lot
harder to find than Limonka, which is about 800 copies each
issue. One surmises that Ataka has about 50-150 copies each
issue and no distribution to speak of. To think of it, Limonov
will also benefit from WWW publishing -- outside of Moscow
his newspaper is impossible to find.
I have searched the Net, but I was unable to find anything
about DK (or Manager, or Chernozem, or Chernyi Lukich, or
Kooperativ Nishtyak, or IPV, to that matter). I offer my own page
http://WWW.MATH.HARVARD.EDU:80/~verbit/Music/Russian-music.html
for all materials
about this (or related) music. Right now there is only
interviews of Egor Letov, a couple of posts from
Usenet and some articles by S. Guriev. Please send
me anything you have (email verbit@thelema.dnttm.rssi.ru).
Finally, I liked Neprestupnaya Zabyvchivost' so much I tried
to find Vishnya's solo work (he has I think 3 or 4 solo albums),
but nowhere in Moscow I could find anything. Is there a place
one can get these?
Spasibo,
Misha.
P. S. A search on Limonka was less fruitless. For instance, I found
"I was born in Carcassonne in the south of France near Toulouse.
It was 21th September 1970........(sigh!) After a nice and quiet
childhood, I had started to be interested in foreign
parts. At the beginning of the 80s, I met Limonka, a bulgarian. It was
the start of the beginning!!!"
Subject: Re: The Plan Must Be Fulfilled......
From: "Vladimir V. Sivchik"
Date: 1996/10/17
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Hi!
verbit@crowleymass.com (Misha Verbitsky) wrote:
> Yes, I know of Ataka, but for all my stay in Russia (6 months)
> I was unable to find it anywhere, even if I checked Gorbushka
Check Minsk. :-) Yesterday morning I saw 3 issues of ATAKA in a book
store and found them very interesting. But I was out of money. Maybe,
next time...
> I think that Zharikov should put Ataka on WWW -- it's a lot
> harder to find than Limonka, which is about 800 copies each
> issue. One surmises that Ataka has about 50-150 copies each
> issue and no distribution to speak of. To think of it, Limonov
> will also benefit from WWW publishing -- outside of Moscow
> his newspaper is impossible to find.
Limonka (as well as NBP and Arctogeya) will be represented in the net
soon. There was article about this ('To deliver from the control in
Internet') in issue #47 (september,1996).
In next issue #48 an e-mail address of above mentioned organizations was
given already. Also, WWW-page will be made in near future. The electronic
versions of Limonka, Elements, books, new non-censored texts, etc. will
be put on there.
Apropos, Misha, Limonka is very easy to find even in Minsk, Belarus.
The issues are distributing operatively and permanently since this
summer.
All shall be well,
(-| Vladik |-)
~
From: verbit@crowleymass.com (Misha Verbitsky)
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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 15:51:29 GMT
Subject: Crusade against humanism
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.purebred-sovoks
The newsserver I use was down for I think 3 days now.
Sorry if I reply not promptly enough. First of all,
thanks to Henrietta who pointed out my error Re: Yelena
Perkhunkova. I (due to a bad grammar)
thought she prefers Stalin's destruction
with Hitler's army over the converse, and
it turned out that she prefers destruction
of both by some stronger power. I'm sure that
this hypothetical strongest power would turn
up by necessity a way more bloodthirsty, genocidal and
collectivist than Hitler and Stalin combined (how else
it would manage to defeat two strongest armies the world),
but never mind. Instead I turn to the
[ K. Zhikharev -- by the way, nice to see K. Zh. again ]
>> I kto sejchas vspominaet o zhertvah chumnyh morov?
[ Y. P. replies ]
>Ot chumy vsyo-taki nashli sredstvo.
>Vot kogda najdyotsya sredstvo ot man'yakov, ubijc, terroristov,
>nasil'nikov, vlastolyubcev shagayuschix cherez trupy i t. d. i t. p....
>togda mozhno budet i zabyt', navernoe...
>Yelena.
Discounting the intonation, which reminds me strongly
of another avatar of progressive civilization (Borjka),
the idea voiced by Yelena are the most patologically
disgusting, utterly paranoic and pugnaciously degenerate lie
suffered by our civilization. I mean it, quite squarely.
The human animal is predator by the nature. Getting rid
of predator instinct is getting rid of humanity -- you
may create a timid, non-aggressive animal instead, but
it won't be a human anymore. This is nothing -- after all,
the goal of humanity is getting rid of human and create
the Uebermensch instead. But will this Aquarian creature
which Yelena and other progressist desire be an Uebermensch
-- or a robotized, thoughtless animaton instead? Let us see.
The worst danger which assails the civilization is lie
enthroned. This lie is the system of simulacra of
the modern Western brainwashing programme or the Nazi
racist notions or the Communist blind necessity-driven
class warfare. As soon as some truth becomes established, it
or Democracy or Race are nothing but vile parodies now.
Quoting Ragnar Redbeard,
``The most dangerous of all enthroned lies, is the holy, the
sanctified the privileged lie - the lie that everyone believes to be a
model truth. It is the fruitful mother of all other popular errors and
delusions. It is hydra-headed. It has a thousand roots. It is a social
cancer. The lie that is known to be a lie is half-eradicated. But the lie
that even intelligent persons regard as a sacred fact - the lie that has
been inculcated around a mother's knee - is more dangerous to contend
against than a creeping pestilence. Popular lies have ever been the most
potent enemies of personal liberty. There is only one way to deal with
them: Cut them out, to the very core, just as cancers are. Exterminate them
root and branch, or they will surely eat us all up. Annihilate them, or
Well, what is the only way an individual can fight a machine
which brainwashed and robotized the general population (just like
the Americans are robotized right now)? The only way to get through
to them is by violence. Incite poor to riot, bomb the rich quarters,
initiate the programme of modern guerilla -- otherwise humanity
is doomed. There won't be no Uebermensch if the machine is
let to dominate the society. ``Kill, kill, kill - for inner
peace and mental health'': the words of original Sozialistische
Patienten Kollektiv.
The artist's responsibility is to ensure the continuance of
human creativity and to facilitate the creation of Uebermensch.
This is why terror has become the chief form of
artistic expression. As Andre Breton said, the only
truly Surrealist work of art is to go into the crowd and
to shoot randomly at people. Once you stop the terror, you
stop the art entirely. I mean ontological terror just like
I mean terror physical: to overthrow the established lies
is a violence just as painful as to kill people in the
name of chaos and destruction. There is no difference.
Finally, what is the long-term effect of the
egalitarian, liberal attitude, when all people
are considered equal and no violence perpetrated?
The races of humanity degenerate visibly from generation
to generation, and this is because evolutionary pressure
is no longer a major factor. This is why degenerate races are
doomed to die (like Romans) to be replaced by barbarians.
If the Western society will cultivate liberalism any
longer, it will die out or will be exterminated -- just
like very soon in United States, more than half of
population will be colored, because the degenerate Whites
stopped procreating and are being replaced by virile
Hispanics and Blacks. Either way, as soon as the
pressure of Social Darwinism is completely lifted
-- the race is doomed to die, in a space of just
a few generations. Hence the main beneficiaries of
humanity are exactly ``man'yaki, ubijcy, terroristy,
nasil'niki, vlastolyubcy shagayuschiye cherez trupy
i t. d. i t. p''
Misha.
Odin chelovek skazal: "Menya postoyanno odolevaet zhazhda."
Drugoj sprosil: "Pochemu by eto?" A tot otvetil: "Stoit mne
pomyt'sya, i menya nachinaet muchit' zhazhda i muchit menya
vosem' dnej podryad, a moyus' ya raz v vosem' dnej."
--- "Nemetskie shvanki i narodnye knigi XVI veka"
From: verbit@crowleymass.com (Misha Verbitsky)
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 10:34:51 GMT
Subject: Embellishments
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.russian
Dear bugs,
I have redone a number of things on my homepage.
* The Cranks page is somewhat embellished:
+ a file of Shlomo Ruthenberg's more recent articles is added,
http://WWW.MATH.HARVARD.EDU:80/~verbit/scs/cranks/shlomo.html
+ a file of Simvlad teasing of Archimedes Plutonium is added.
http://WWW.MATH.HARVARD.EDU:80/~verbit/scs/cranks/simvlad-96-pu.html
+ The posts of Alexandra Dubovaya are
HTML-ized into maximal readability.
http://WWW.MATH.HARVARD.EDU:80/~verbit/scs/cranks/dubovaya.html
I arrived upon a conclusion that
Alexandra was the most important poster throughout our history:
a focal point of soc.culture.soviet. Deeps immeasurable.
Studying her articles, one perceives futility of one's
existence. Studying her articles, one understands
one's own karma.
* Small alterations done to the music archives:
http://WWW.MATH.HARVARD.EDU:80/~verbit/Music/music.html
All in all, there are 1.5 Mb of old articles, interviews, etc
here -- watch out.
* I added an entry
http://WWW.MATH.HARVARD.EDU:80/~verbit/well/usenet-kibo.html
(Usenet Is, by James ``Kibo'' Parry)
to the Well of Beauty page
http://WWW.MATH.HARVARD.EDU:80/~verbit/well/well.html
It's the best reading I had in months.
* Two pages with new poems (illustrated somewhat) added to
http://WWW.MATH.HARVARD.EDU:80/~verbit/Me/me.html. The
illustrations page
http://WWW.MATH.HARVARD.EDU:80/~verbit/Me/Pictures/index.html
is redone radically.
* A new poem added to
http://WWW.MATH.HARVARD.EDU:80/~verbit/Me/yulya.html:
http://WWW.MATH.HARVARD.EDU:80/~verbit/Me/Fridman/golshti.html
Coming soon:
I am planning to make a page for the dead puppeteer Igor
Fokin, a page for Elena Green archives, type in more works of
Soyuz Pisatelei and put RWCDAX (the Russian extremist journal
I am associated with) on-line.
Takie vot dela.
Misha.
Vot tak my zhili, tak i zhivem,
Tak i budem zhit', poka ne umrem,
I esli my zhivem vot tak -
Znachit, tak nado! --- M. N.
From: verbit@crowleymass.com (Misha Verbitsky)
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:23:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Limonka!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.purebred-sovoks,soc.culture.russian,relcom.culture.underground
Rejoice!
Limonka, Russian premiere newspaper, now has a homepage:
http://web.redline.ru/~arctogai/
To give you a taste of this exquisite beauty, I send a couple
of articles from the last issue which my friend has typed in.
NATSIONAL-BOL'SHEVISTSKAJA PARTIJA
zajavlenie
GOSUDARSTVA UKRAINY NE SUSCHESTVUET! TREBUEM RAZRYVA DIPLOMATICHESKIKH
OTNOSHENIJ S KIEVOM! TREBUEM ZAKRYTIJA POSOL'STVA "UKRAINY" V RF!
V to vremja kak avantjurist Lebed', presleduja lichnye
tseli, otrezaet Chechnju, podav tem signal k total'nomu
raschleneniju tela Rossii, lenivyj udav - Ukraina -
perevarivaet proglochennuju eju dobychu - Krymskij poluostrov.
Pri polnom molchanii truslivoj obschestvennosti Rossii.
Rajskaja zemlja kurortov i divnogo morja, vmeste s
gorodom-geroem Sevastopolem, - bazoj Chernomorskogo flota -
otdany byli prestupnym roscherkom pera tak nazyvaemoj
"Ukraine". "Ukraine" - gosudarstvu-khimere,
gosudarstvu-anekdotu, kostjumirovannomu, operetochnomu, a la
"Natalka-Poltavka", gosudarstvu, hikogda ne byvavshemu, ne
dobivshemusja istoricheski i fizicheski prava na
suschestvovanie.
"Ukraina", rodivshajasja iz chernil'nitsy Belovezhskikh
soglashenij i ambitsij zhirnykh kievskikh chinovnikov, - verni
Krym! Perevarit' tebe ego ne pod silu, ty vse ravno budesh'
vynuzhdena otdat' ego tataram i Turtsii.
V obstanovke vyrozhdenija natsional'nykh chuvstv, polnogo
obyvatel'skogo bezralichija bol'shinstva naselenija RF k sud'be
russkikh, okazavshikhsja vne Rossii, Natsional-Bol'shevistskaja
partija vo ves' golos zajavljaet: My nikogda ne smirimsja s
poterej russkogo Kryma! My budem borot'sja vsemi sredstvami za
vozvraschenie Krymskogo poluostrova v sostav Rossii.
Svjaschennye kamni Sevastopolja, obil'no politye russkoj
krov'ju, zhgut nashi serdtsa.
Nas takzhe potrjasaet polnoe otsutstvie geroizma u nashikh
sootechestvennikov. My otkazyvaemsja ponimat', pochemu ofitsery
i matrosy Chernomorskogo flota vedut sebja kak poslushnye
ovtsy, gonimye na zaklanie. Vy sprjatalis' pod bab'i jubki,
ofitsery, pozabyv o slave lejtenanta Shmidta, bronenostsa
Prikaza svyshe ne zhdite, ego ne budet. Istoriju vershat ne
truslivye i podazhnye generaly i admiraky, no geroicheskie
lejtenanty. Esli ne vy, to nikto! Esli ne segodnja, to nikogda!
Natsional-Bol'shevistskaja partija ne priznaet
suschestvovanija gosudarstva "Ukrainy". My trebuem ot
prezidenta i pravitel'stva razryva diplomaticheskikh otnoshenij
s gosudarstvom-anekdotom. Trebuem zakrytija posol'stva
"Ukrainy" v RF i peredachi zdanija bezdomnym detjam.
NET RAZDELU CHERNOMORSKOGO FLOTA!
KRYM - RUSSKAJA ZEMLJA!
KUCHMA, - TY PODAVISHSJA SEVASTOPOLEM!
ROSSIJA - VSE, OSTAL'NOE - NICHTO!
NBP, 8 oktjabrja 1996 goda, Moskva.
I vot esche perl, ottuda zhe:
"Zhurnalisty pokhozhi na mukh, rasprostranjajuschikh po
miru kusochki kala, glistov i bolezni. Osnovnaja kucha govna
zhirnogo mondialista-sponsora, obmotannogo zvezdno-polosatoj
nakryvalkoj. Tam mukhi-zhurnalisty ebutsja, otkladyvajut
sal'nye lichinki, plodjatsja i zapravljajutsja kalom. Zatem
popolnjajut boezapas jajtsami glistov, strashnymi gribkami,
virusami i gonokokkami s khvostami.Ubivat' ikh nel'zja, zhirnyj
baryga na dast vzajmy vo vremja zasukhi, kotoruju sam, suka, i
ustroit."
GASTELLO
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Ura!!!
Takie vot dela.
Misha, Satano-Kommunist.
P. S. Satano-Kommunism ne est' natsional-bol'shevizm, khotya my blizki.
Satano-Kommunizm osnovan tom, chto idei kommunizma po suti svoei
yavlyayutsya sataninskim zlom i napast'yu. Eshcho
Anton LaVey (osnovatel Tserkvi Satany, evrei, kak i ya) otmechal, chto
netu nikakoi raznitsy mezhdu ego filosofiei i vzglyadami sotsialista
pridiot -- no Izrail' est'. Znachit Messia prishiol. Sataninskiy
Messiya -- Ben-Gurion, kommunist.
From: verbit@crowleymass.com (Misha Verbitsky)
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:17:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Limonka!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.russian,relcom.culture.underground
In article ,
Roman Kostin wrote:
>In article ,
>Misha Verbitsky wrote:
>>
>>I vot esche perl, ottuda zhe:
>>
>> "Zhurnalisty pokhozhi na mukh, rasprostranjajuschikh po
>>miru kusochki kala, glistov i bolezni.
>> ...
>>Zatem
>>popolnjajut boezapas jajtsami glistov, strashnymi gribkami,
>>virusami i gonokokkami s khvostami.
>
>u GONOKOKKOW NET HWOSTOW.
Ehto spetsial'nye gonokokki: s khvostami. Byvayut ot zhurnalistov,
rasprostranjajuschikh po miru kusochki kala, glistov i bolezni.
Vy videli etu bredyatinu (sm. nizhe), kto-to eio vsio postit
v scs, pro Scientologistov, Lrona Hubbarda i operatsiyu Elkina?
LRon, neschastnyi, posle smerti vrode kak nichut' ne
peremenilsya -- vsio tak zhe pishet SF. Takuyu zhe dryannuyu,
kak ran'she, i ne odnu tysyachu stranits napisal. A teper'
okazyvaetsya stal Yeltsina operirovat' s Satanoi. Udivitel'naya
kakaya shtuka Scientologiya -- mertvyi scientologist gorazdo
rabotosposobnee zhivogo.
A krome shutok, ne vse eshcho veroyuatno znayut, kak nachalas'
Scientologiya. LRon byl agentom FBR, s zadachei vnedrit'sya
v Kaliforniyskuyu lozhu O. T. O. (okkul'tnoi organizatsii,
sledovavshei Aleisteru Crowley). V Kaliforniyskoi Lozhe naibolee
aktiven byl togda Jack Parsons, velikiy fizik (ego imenem dazhe
nazvan odin iz lunnykh kraterov). LRon gde-to razdobyl
neopublikovannyi togda eshco traktat Crowley (Book of Thoth,
Tarot Egiptyan) i vydal neskol'ko ukradennykh obrazov za
svoi sny. V eto vremya Parsons rabotal v tom zhe napravlenii,
chto i Crowley v Book of Thoth, tak chto on zauvazhal LRona,
poselil ego u sebya doma i daval emu deneg. LRon, kogda emu
nadoelo stuchat' na Parsonsa, sbezhal s ego zhenoi; vmeste oni
ukrali vse ego den'gi. Parsonsovskie magicheskie eksperimenty
povernulis' ochen' stranno (on ukhitrilsya voplotit' elemental,
simpatichnuyu ryzhuyu devushku po imeni Majorie Cameron,
kotoraya vposledstvii igrala Kali v fil'me Angera Raising
the Pleasure Dome). Raznye elementaly emu morochili golovu
primerno kak u Meyrinka v Angele Zapadnogo Okna, i on
nemnogo pomeshalsya -- tak, naprimer, reshil emigrirovat'
v Izrail'. Poskol'ku Parsons vozglavlyal amerikanskie
raketnye issledovaniya, etogo FBR nikak pozvolit' ne moglo
i ego ubili (ofitsial'naya prichina -- neostorozhnoe
obrashchenie s vzryvchatkoi). Kogda Parsons byl ubit, emu
bylo, kazhetsya, 30 let -- bezuslovno, pogib naigenial'neishiy
okkul'tist etogo veka. Nado polagat', chto prinyatie FBRom
resheniya ustranit' Parsonsa bylo prichinoi begstva
LRonnie s den'gami blagodetelya. Never mind. Cherez
5 let Hubbard osnovyvaet Scientologiyu na ideyakh i
tekhnike, pryamo vydrannoi iz O. T. O. -- s toi tol'ko
raznitsei, chto priiomy, kotorye O. T. O. ispol'zoval dlya
razvitiya dushi i podchineniya stikhiinykh dukhov, Hubbard
ispol'zoval dlya promyvaniya mozgov i vymogatel'stva deneg.
Misha.
P. S. Bredyatina iz stat'i pro Elkina i L. Ron Hubbarda v scs, obrazchik:
RI-685Ri '"Very little Power over Koos" - L. Ron Hubbard' 3 Sept 96
RI-683i 'The Actual Future of Scientology - L. Ron Hubbard' 2 Sept 96
RI-632i 'The being L. Ron Hubbard, Current State' of 14 July 96
RI-634i 'The Operating Satan L. Ron Hubbard' of 12 July 1996
RI-645i 'The Operating Satan L. Ron Hubbard, more evidence' 1 Aug 96
RI-547i 'What the being L. Ron Hubbard is NOW doing to Scnists' 4 May 96
RI-529i-A'What the being LRH is doing NOW - Addition' 22 Apr 96
RI-529i 'URGENT - What the being LRH is doing NOW' of 6 Apr 96
RI-488i 'Very able people at serious risk in Scn' 23 Feb 1996
RI-546i 'Support for the being LRH now is Treason to Mankind' 4 May 96
RI-538i 'Official Expulsion of the being LRH from Scn' 17 Apr 96
RI-462i 'Corpses in LRH's Cupboard - IMPORTANT' of 25 Jan 96
RI-362i 'The incident EVERY Scientologist MUST know' 17 Nov 95
Bulletins about L. Ron Hubbard and his CofS
RI-720i 'Forcing Miscavige onto the Church of Scientology' 27 Oct 96
RI-725i 'L. Ron Hubbard controlling Scientologists by fear' 27 Oct 96
RI-676i '"Doomed forever by L. Ron Hubbard"' 20 Aug 96
RI-677i 'L. Ron Hubbard: "Once Right, always Right"' 20 Aug 96
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From: verbit@crowleymass.com (Misha Verbitsky)
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Summary: Verbitsky's fascist post is disgusting
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Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 00:09:45 GMT
Subject: Prigov's early text
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.purebred-sovoks
My friends have typed in a couple of early verses by Prigov.
Stalin i Allilueva
Byl dushnyj den' i blizilas' groza,
Moguchij luch srebril ego sediny,
I marshal'skaja na grudi ego zvezda,
Dykhan'em vzdeta, vspykhivala divno.
I ploschad' Krasnaja vnizu byla vidna,
Gde pel narod v vesel'e prostodushnom,
Ne bol'she murav'ja...voshla ona,
I zapakh vplyl dukhov za neju dushnyj.
On ves' naprjagsja, chtob ne vydat' ston,
Ruka szhimala kholod pistoleta
V prikrytom jaschike stola. "Kto on?!" -
No rassmejalasja ona otvetno.
On ruku rezko vykinul - kak grom,
Pomchalas' po purpurnomu parketu
Litaja pugovitsa s leplennym gerbom.
Razdalsja vystrel. Trup osel zametno.
I on rydal nad neju, kak ditja,
Skupye slezy na usakh lezhali,
Gotov rasplakat'sja byl - no nel'zja! -
Ego dela, ego narody zhdali!
Prigov, 1974
Mestnost' ostavlennej uzkokolejki.
Vozdukh prozrachnyj, chuzhoj i neklejkij.
Okis' li, med'... Da po ptitsam vidat' ---
K oseni krayu ne privykat'.
Mozhno prozhit' po primetam prostym ---
Nebo nad kryshej, da pryamen'kij dym.
Da navalilsya na dal'nij lesok
Tuchi nezdeshnej krovavyj kusok.
Prigov, 1963 (?)
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Not that they are good, but give some food for thought.
Misha.
P. S. Actually, lately it happens so I expect the good poetry
not from the ``professional'' poets, but from random sources:
tolkienist lyrics, punk rock verse... My best successes on this
route were lyrics from Chernoziom and Manager and (ahem)
http://WWW.MATH.HARVARD.EDU:80/~verbit/scs/poems/nessis.html
The ``real'' poetry is stale -- even if the last book of Prigov
(yavlenie stikha posle ego smerti) is as good as anything
(kogda byl lenin malen'kiy). I speak of good poetry -- bad
one (like, Irten'ev, or Brenner, or Elena Shvarts) I dont'
even consider. While, well, punk plays with the sin
and excess and death and tolkienism plays with symbols with
self-abandonment -- these things keep getting sharper, never duller.
Once professional poets will again come to a point of nihilist
self-submersion reached by GG Allin, Antonine Artaud and Manager,
the professional poetry will become relevant -- untill then, poetry
will be dead (undead, undead...)
``So, what ya gonna do when the novelty has gone''... (I. C.)
"Where do dreams go when they die, mummy?
They go to dreams of menstrual winters yet to come, beloved
And do dead gods smell?
Of dust and must and reaping time" -- Current 93
ofeliq
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pUZATYJ DROZD, MOHNATYJ OLENX.
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lEGKO, SWETLO I WESELO HRUSTIT NA ZUBAH.
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pROSRO^ENNYJ BILETIK NA POWTORNYJ SEANS.
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sIQLA NO^X, ZWENELA ZEMLQ.
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~UDESNYJ PLEN, GRANITNYJ WOSTORG.
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uSTALYJ BES, RAKITOWYJ KUST.
dAR#NYE LO[ADKI RAZBRELISX NA ZARE
nA WSE ^ETYRE STORONY POPROBUJ, POJMAJ.
(This is Egor Letov, from Sto Let Odinochestva -- sorry, no
Manager texts around, and I'm too sleepy now to try to
remember stuff).
Misha Verbitsky